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MAT244-2013S => MAT 244 Misc => Topic started by: Jeong Yeon Yook on February 13, 2013, 11:50:24 PM

Title: Equal Quiz Time for All Sections
Post by: Jeong Yeon Yook on February 13, 2013, 11:50:24 PM
I have noticed that Prof. Pierre Milman's class has 30 minutes for the quizzes and he also gives quiz reviews hints about what is gonna be covered.  On the other hand, Prof. Hoell's class doesn't get reviews or hints and only has 20 minutes to the quizzes.

Can we have both have 30 minutes so all sections have the same amount time from now on?
Title: Re: Equal Quiz Time for All Sections
Post by: Victor Ivrii on February 14, 2013, 04:39:19 PM
I have noticed that Prof. Pierre Milman's class has 30 minutes for the quizzes and he also gives quiz reviews hints about what is gonna be covered.  On the other hand, Prof. Hoell's class doesn't get reviews or hints and only has 20 minutes to the quizzes.

Can we have both have 30 minutes so all sections have the same amount time from now on?

I spoke with Professor Milman. This information is incorrect.
Title: Re: Equal Quiz Time for All Sections
Post by: Iven Poon on February 27, 2013, 08:29:03 PM
Dear Professor Ivrii,

Because of time conflicts, I have actually taken quizzes in both Professor Höell's and Professor Milman's sections, and I can gurantee you that J.Y.'s information about an inequal quiz time across sections is definitely not incorrect.

In Professor Höell's morning section, we always had 20 minutes for our quizzes, which started at 10:40 am and ended at 11 am.

In Professor Milman's section, however, we have up to 30 minutes to do the quiz. How it works is that, using this evening as an example, at 7:30 pm, Professor Milman would give students a 10-minute break, and then class would resume at 8 pm. Students may choose to go to the washroom, take a break, or start working on the quiz immediately at 7:30 pm, and that means we actually can have 10 more minutes to work on the questions. Of course, most students prefer and take the last option, and I did too.

I hope my message here will clear up some misunderstandings, and I do agree to J.Y.'s point that it would be better and fairer for students if all the sections have exactly the same amount of quiz time.

Sincerely,

Iven Poon
Title: Re: Equal Quiz Time for All Sections
Post by: Victor Ivrii on February 27, 2013, 11:07:09 PM
Dear Professor Ivrii,

Because of time conflicts, I have actually taken quizzes in both Professor Höell's and Professor Milman's sections, and I can gurantee you that J.Y.'s information about an inequal quiz time across sections is definitely not incorrect.

In Professor Höell's morning section, we always had 20 minutes for our quizzes, which started at 10:40 am and ended at 11 am.

In Professor Milman's section, however, we have up to 30 minutes to do the quiz. How it works is that, using this evening as an example, at 7:30 pm, Professor Milman would give students a 10-minute break, and then class would resume at 8 pm. Students may choose to go to the washroom, take a break, or start working on the quiz immediately at 7:30 pm, and that means we actually can have 10 more minutes to work on the questions. Of course, most students prefer and take the last option, and I did too.

I hope my message here will clear up some misunderstandings, and I do agree to J.Y.'s point that it would be better and fairer for students if all the sections have exactly the same amount of quiz time.

Sincerely,

Iven Poon

Quizzes are different, pace is different; night sections are more coordinated and since both offer quizzes in the same time we can offer the same quiz; instructor of the day section selects quiz by himself and may adjust allocated time. Today quiz in night sections was considered to be more difficult than usual and both me and Prof Milman gave 30 min. for quiz at the expense of the break. I find night classes much more exhausting for students.

If you have any concerns you need to talk to class coordinator Professor P. Milman during his office hours.

Addendum at 11:05 am, Feb 28
I would say that since day quiz 3 does not involve variation of parameters it is simpler. Again, it is my own opinion, class coordinator may see things differently—but you need to talk to him.